Comments on: Libertarianism Discussion: Axiomatics http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/ part of the problem since 1976 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jon http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3171 Jon Tue, 08 May 2007 16:10:16 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3171 so what you are saying is that right-libertarianism as a 'political system' has no philosophical underpinnings, or at least none that can be examined and judged? I believe that was exactly my point. so what you are saying is that right-libertarianism as a ‘political system’ has no philosophical underpinnings, or at least none that can be examined and judged? I believe that was exactly my point.

]]> By: Rich Paul http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3155 Rich Paul Mon, 07 May 2007 23:20:14 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3155 Is it possible to 'prove' <b>any</b> political system? I have never heard of such a thing. I'd be interested to see a formal 'proof' of Totalitarianism, Socialism, Fascism, Welfare-Statism, Theocracy, or any other political system, but I doubt it would prove anything to me: it would have to be based on axioms, and I doubt I would accept them. Libertarianism is not a philosophy. It is a proposed political system. It is based on a simple premise: you own yourself. This can be contrasted with Socialism (The noble workers and selfless peasants own you), or with Theocracy (God owns you, and we will enforce His will), or with Democracy (50%+1 of the population owns the other 50%-1 of the population). Like a machine, one cannot prove or disprove a political system: you can only build it and see how it works. Is it possible to ‘prove’ any political system? I have never heard of such a thing. I’d be interested to see a formal ‘proof’ of Totalitarianism, Socialism, Fascism, Welfare-Statism, Theocracy, or any other political system, but I doubt it would prove anything to me: it would have to be based on axioms, and I doubt I would accept them.

Libertarianism is not a philosophy. It is a proposed political system. It is based on a simple premise: you own yourself. This can be contrasted with Socialism (The noble workers and selfless peasants own you), or with Theocracy (God owns you, and we will enforce His will), or with Democracy (50%+1 of the population owns the other 50%-1 of the population). Like a machine, one cannot prove or disprove a political system: you can only build it and see how it works.

]]> By: Jon http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3032 Jon Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:27:13 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3032 1) Sources for the NYT articles, please. 2) The first they is supposed to be "liberals"? 3) The second they is supposed to "government"? 4) How is this germane to a discussion of axiomatics? 1) Sources for the NYT articles, please.
2) The first they is supposed to be “liberals”?
3) The second they is supposed to “government”?
4) How is this germane to a discussion of axiomatics?

]]> By: john zaretzki http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3030 john zaretzki Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:11:48 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/04/28/libertarianism-discussion/#comment-3030 Some time ago the NY Times had an editorial against the AMT. They also stated that they had no sympathy for those who gripe about taxes. This is what is wrong with liberalism. They are perfectly willing to fork over lots of money but then complain about Iraq, Katrina, Medicare, Social Security, schools (the list is endless). Don't they see, give them money and this is what they'll do? Some time ago the NY Times had an editorial against the AMT. They also stated that they had no sympathy for those who gripe about taxes. This is what is wrong with liberalism. They are perfectly willing to fork over lots of money but then complain about Iraq, Katrina, Medicare, Social Security, schools (the list is endless). Don’t they see, give them money and this is what they’ll do?

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