Comments on: Illiterate America http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/ Part of the problem since 1976 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:43:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jen http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Jen Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:43:28 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/#comment-1443 Ask your wife about the pendulum metaphor in education, it was a phrase that I heard through my courses. We go from one extreme to the other in our education philosophies and goals, right now it's all about numbers and test score results. I don't believe that families are at fault, but certainly part of the equation of children learning. I agree, it's the responsibility of society and that's where the pendulum comes in. Ask your wife about the pendulum metaphor in education, it was a phrase that I heard through my courses. We go from one extreme to the other in our education philosophies and goals, right now it’s all about numbers and test score results.

I don’t believe that families are at fault, but certainly part of the equation of children learning. I agree, it’s the responsibility of society and that’s where the pendulum comes in.

]]> By: Jon http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1434 Jon Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:16:27 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/#comment-1434 As a disclaimer, much of my view on this topic is the result of being married to a <a href="http://www.sandslippers.com" rel="nofollow">teacher</a> and watching her struggles with public education in two countries. I believe you and I are close to the same thought here. I only disagree that the fault stops at the familial level. Certainly family involvement is important, but to lay the blame on individual families, as if there were vast swathes of American families simply don;t care if their kids succeed or not. The problem, from my point of view, is that the goal is precisely that they do "succeed". Education, in a "scholastic" sense takes a backseat to success and achievement. As long as the goal of education is "success" or "achievement", then we as a society will buy into the idea that education is a quantifiable thing, something which can be measured via standardized tests, evidence folders, and achievement metrics. Education is a qualitative, not quantitative thing, and, I believe, should be oriented towards educating, not achieving. With that in mind, it is hard to point the finger at funding, or teachers, or families. The finger is pointed squarely at the purposes and aims of education in a society; at that society itself. As a disclaimer, much of my view on this topic is the result of being married to a teacher and watching her struggles with public education in two countries.

I believe you and I are close to the same thought here. I only disagree that the fault stops at the familial level. Certainly family involvement is important, but to lay the blame on individual families, as if there were vast swathes of American families simply don;t care if their kids succeed or not. The problem, from my point of view, is that the goal is precisely that they do “succeed”. Education, in a “scholastic” sense takes a backseat to success and achievement. As long as the goal of education is “success” or “achievement”, then we as a society will buy into the idea that education is a quantifiable thing, something which can be measured via standardized tests, evidence folders, and achievement metrics.

Education is a qualitative, not quantitative thing, and, I believe, should be oriented towards educating, not achieving. With that in mind, it is hard to point the finger at funding, or teachers, or families. The finger is pointed squarely at the purposes and aims of education in a society; at that society itself.

]]> By: Jen http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/comment-page-1/#comment-1407 Jen Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:17:13 +0000 http://jontillman.com/2007/03/23/illiterate-america/#comment-1407 I am going to jump right in here. When it comes to education, it appears that the public is quick to jump on the school bandwagon whether the schools are teaching/reaching every student that comes through the door. But what is always missing is the importance of family in education, rather the nuture aspect of a child. I was a teacher for a short time and student taught in poorer elementary school, then ended up at a high school as a sped teacher in a affluent community. My observation in the disparity of levels due to what the student brings to school, have they been read to, are there real communication skills being taught at home and is school a priority? What's more important to the parent? Having money for cigarettes and the next six pack? Or having school supplies and clean clothes for their children? Younger, poorer parents demonstrate poor parenting skills and it spills over in the classroom. The kids come in without any structure and present challenges to teachers and their peers. Yet, I still saw the challenges of students in High school as a problem for the system b/c they were not in the right educational setting for their personalities. Students are illiterate b/c they are not learning due to homelife, learning abilities and interest in education. There are no easy solutions, but No Child left behind is one of the worst mandates ever proposed. You can't believe how much time my 8th grader has spent this year on standardized testing for me to learn that his writing skills are not proficient. Well duh, of course not, b/c his teacher has not taken the time to proofread his work with him. Do you think you struck a nerve with me? I am going to jump right in here. When it comes to education, it appears that the public is quick to jump on the school bandwagon whether the schools are teaching/reaching every student that comes through the door. But what is always missing is the importance of family in education, rather the nuture aspect of a child. I was a teacher for a short time and student taught in poorer elementary school, then ended up at a high school as a sped teacher in a affluent community. My observation in the disparity of levels due to what the student brings to school, have they been read to, are there real communication skills being taught at home and is school a priority? What’s more important to the parent? Having money for cigarettes and the next six pack? Or having school supplies and clean clothes for their children?

Younger, poorer parents demonstrate poor parenting skills and it spills over in the classroom. The kids come in without any structure and present challenges to teachers and their peers. Yet, I still saw the challenges of students in High school as a problem for the system b/c they were not in the right educational setting for their personalities. Students are illiterate b/c they are not learning due to homelife, learning abilities and interest in education.

There are no easy solutions, but No Child left behind is one of the worst mandates ever proposed. You can’t believe how much time my 8th grader has spent this year on standardized testing for me to learn that his writing skills are not proficient. Well duh, of course not, b/c his teacher has not taken the time to proofread his work with him. Do you think you struck a nerve with me?

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